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Title: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: LeelaRae on September 27, 2011, 02:29:34 pm
I have been working on a wire controlled shoulder puppet. I started out making a ball joint from a wooden ball and paper mache and then sculpted my griffon head onto the paper mache 'joint' portion. I ordered Sullivan RC Airplane push-rods for the controls and am patiently awaiting their arrival.

(http://i.imgur.com/bgp3m.jpg)
This is the back of the head on the ball joint. You can see that the head can move around the ball.

These are some images of the Griffon's head I sculpted today. I used amber beads for the eyes. And fimo for the sculpt.
(http://i.imgur.com/yaFJg.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/N7Gv6.jpg)
I will post better pictures my camera battery is dead and i cannot find the charger at the moment. I will also detail the rest of my steps as I go.


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Billy D. Fuller on September 27, 2011, 02:34:08 pm
Very interesting!!! so far so good and great job on the sculpt.


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: LeelaRae on September 27, 2011, 02:45:08 pm
Thank you! I am hoping these steps will help others, this site was one of the only resources I could find when I was researching the materials/steps I would need to take to make a shoulder puppet.


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Shawn Sorrell on September 27, 2011, 04:24:10 pm
Well I asked this in your intro post before I read this but I'll ask again... What is the medium your are working in?  I really like the detail you are getting.

I am sure that others are going to benefit from the process you are going through especially since you are photographing it. Looks to me like you are on the right track. :)


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Puppetainer on September 27, 2011, 09:32:04 pm
Beautiful work!


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Rikka on September 27, 2011, 10:39:21 pm
WOW!!!


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: LeelaRae on September 28, 2011, 07:36:12 am
Thanks! I got my wire controls in today, so this day will be an adventure. :)


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: CJ Puppets on September 28, 2011, 01:14:02 pm
Excited to see your results! I'm working on trying the same type thing but haven't even started yet.


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Na on September 29, 2011, 06:13:13 am
Great looking head - can't wait to see the finished product.


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: LeelaRae on September 29, 2011, 01:01:29 pm
Thanks! Today has been busy... got the wings started. The body, and front legs/talons are done. Back legs need to be maid, but should be east all in all. Then it's assembly... painting... more assembly... :)Pics to come!



Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Rikka on September 29, 2011, 11:44:49 pm
You are a busy bee...


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: LJ on September 30, 2011, 06:42:53 am
Can't wait to see the completed project!


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Russell2005 on September 30, 2011, 09:33:40 am
Really nice work. Where'd you get the eyes?


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: AWS Puppets on October 01, 2011, 10:44:44 am
Neat. I have been wanting to make one of these but I'm not sure on what materials to use. Love the detail.


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: SCUBASTEVE on October 02, 2011, 06:37:45 am
Great detail, I'm guessing they're glass beads for the eyes, can take the heat in the oven ok then...? What a great idea!


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: LeelaRae on October 04, 2011, 01:55:59 pm
The eyes are amber colored glass beads. They do fine in the oven. Fimo bakes at a relatively low temperature, so I have never had breakage issues in any of my artwork with them. Here are some photos of the body, and the head painted, with the body assembled. I still have to paint over the epoxy sculpt I used to hide the wire and attach the wings. I made the wings from feathers my father in law had left over from his days of making fishing lures. The main body is toilet paper tubes I cut, covered in paper mache and then coated lightly with Fimo and sculpted details into. I used a razor to get the feathering detail on the body. I still have to run the wires thru and stabilize the head as well as attach feathers and other fine details...  It is still not done. And Sorry for the poor image quality... My digital camera is still on the fritz and I am relying on my phone for the moment...
(http://i.imgur.com/24WsS.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/43SsO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/v9cyc.jpg)
the head painted ^
(http://i.imgur.com/7XFmK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rBoRK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KLzX1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/5tGiU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6KmcB.jpg)
Detail of the front talons
(http://i.imgur.com/nX1rK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1D7UN.jpg)
Again... I am sorry for the image quality...


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Russell2005 on October 04, 2011, 02:31:07 pm
Wow! Really nice detail. Very realistic. What kind of movement is it going to have? Will it flap it's wings and move it's head?


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Billy D. Fuller on October 04, 2011, 03:40:33 pm
Nice!


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Shawn Sorrell on October 04, 2011, 03:54:52 pm
He is gorgeous! The pictures are pretty good quality don't fret. :)


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: LeelaRae on October 04, 2011, 04:33:39 pm
Thank you everyone! It's only going to move it's head. I dunno how to make it flap it's wings as well at the moment...


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Rikka on October 04, 2011, 11:33:07 pm
He is georgeous! I love him.
Maybe if you took some kind of fishingline etc. to a counterweight (maybe lead like they use for fishinglines, but it should be quite a bit of it- it has to keep those wings up) and connected a second line to the outside, bringing both outer lines together into one and attaching a marblesized bead to it: then you could pull the bead (string) and the wings would flap. Experiment a little with the lever laws. I hope I am making sense (I'm not quite sure if my English is awake yet :zzz)?
(Well, I live next to a river, so we have lots of fishing shops around...  ;))


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Na on October 05, 2011, 03:14:00 am
Wow, that's fantabulous! I hope when you've finished you post a video of it.


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Jorge on October 05, 2011, 03:48:53 am
Very impressive work!
I guess, if it is spected to lay on your shoulder, the wings should be in a resting position in order to give realism. (like a parrot on its pirate)

Regarding movement for the wings, perhaps a simple axis in the skin of the body,and the wing counterbalanced with a lead inside the body could give quite realistic effect; every time you change the position of your body, the wing would move, as if the gryphon tried to re-equilibrate on your shoulder


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: SCUBASTEVE on October 05, 2011, 05:32:52 am
Beautiful! I can't wait to see him in action.


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: jeezbo on October 05, 2011, 06:46:16 am
It looks amazing, really fantastic work.
im kind of jealous, i wish i had made him!!


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: LeelaRae on October 05, 2011, 08:01:25 am
Thank you everyone! I really appreciate the feedback! I will work on getting a mechanism for the wings to flap on the next one. And I do plan on making many. Once I get the technique perfected, I will be making them to order and they will be custom. :P


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Rikka on October 05, 2011, 10:21:14 pm
They should be selling like warm rolls!


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: LeelaRae on May 10, 2012, 08:31:41 am
Sorry I kinda just disappeared for a bit. My computer, Camera and Kindle fire all died right around the same time as some personal stuff. I have pictures of the finished Griffin!
(http://i.imgur.com/sjE6e.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/y5lAI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/xxB1h.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9d2ZB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OpKZY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/29fsF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/iNq9c.jpg)


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Rikka on May 10, 2012, 09:13:10 am
said it once and say it again: adorable!


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: SCUBASTEVE on May 13, 2012, 04:35:45 am
Awesome work!
Glad to see you back too :)


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Chris Arveson on May 13, 2012, 08:14:49 am
Wow!!


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: siren_Phoenix1 on January 18, 2013, 11:37:24 am
Sorry I kinda just disappeared for a bit. My computer, Camera and Kindle fire all died right around the same time as some personal stuff. I have pictures of the finished Griffin!

He came out fantastic!!   :)

Darn, foiled again!  :banghead:
I've been wanting to make one of my own shoulder puppets for several years...
but I have yet to find site/info on how the crucial head-attachment cable mechanism works!
how is the head 'attached' to the body while allowing up/down side-2-side movement?
Could you post a diagram?


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: Singoscar on January 18, 2013, 01:22:44 pm
Great job, great imaginaition! Woaooooo


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: ArthurS on January 19, 2013, 02:48:55 pm
Great stuff!  I've always wondered how to make these work.  Ever since I bought a "Woodbaby" at the KC Renaissance Faire many years ago.


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: LeelaRae on March 22, 2013, 03:55:49 pm
He came out fantastic!!   :)

Darn, foiled again!  :banghead:
I've been wanting to make one of my own shoulder puppets for several years...
but I have yet to find site/info on how the crucial head-attachment cable mechanism works!
how is the head 'attached' to the body while allowing up/down side-2-side movement?
Could you post a diagram?

Sorry this took so long to respond, I have been working on starting my etsy shop and have been busy, which is good, but my puppet kind of went to the wayside.
The head is not attached to the body on mine in the strictest sense, but it is supported by a bent hanger that comes up from the body and goes into a hole in the wooden ball I built the ball joint around. . It comes off, but it helps support the head's weight. I am working on making another with lighter clay. The sculpey weighs a lot. The controls I attatched directly to the sculpey and hid with feathers. So the wires basically move the head around a joint. I can get a little more movement than the just up down/side to side, but like I said, it's heavy so it takes a little more effort than I want it to.


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: jamesandsaramom on November 12, 2015, 04:53:27 pm
i think he is wonderful i am working on a dragon.  i have a question how did u attach the cable to sculpy head?


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: jamesandsaramom on July 20, 2017, 11:19:47 am
I finished my dragon well almost 2 years ago lol  if I can figure out how to send a pic I will


Title: Re: Wire Controlled Shoulder Puppet (Griffon)
Post by: pagestep007 on July 25, 2017, 07:38:32 am
It  will be good to see some pics. :)