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Foam adheasives and glues.  (Read 19016 times)
zooooom
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2012, 07:33:37 pm »

What about "Better Bond Titan DX™ Premium Contact Cement" ?
http://www.veneersupplies.com/products/Better-Bond-Titan-DX-Premium-Contact-Cement.html
Shawn Sorrell
« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2012, 07:15:26 am »

Titan DX™ Premium Contact Cement looks very promising. Have you used it by any chance Zooooom?  I have used other water based contact cements like this and they have done ok. The price is really good on this product also.
zooooom
« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2012, 08:18:54 am »

No I haven't. I'm also looking for odorless contact cement so I've find it . There is some negative comments about this glue so Im not sure about a quality http://www.woodweb.com/cgi-bin/forums/adhesives.pl?read=711486 or maybe this is a result of misuse because water based cements are different as somebody explain here http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Using_WaterBased_Contact_Cements.html

I've find some more solvent free cements but have never tryed them yet

1. http://www.wilsonartadhesives.com/products/adhesives.aspx?p=ca&sp=13
Description http://sustain.wilsonart.com/productlib/techdata/adhesives/WA%20H2O%20Technical%20Data%20Sheet.pdf

2. Multibond Contact Cement  http://www.franklinadhesivesandpolymers.com/Wood-Adhesives-US/Wood-Adhesives/product-family/Multibond-family/Multibond_Contact_Cement.aspx

3. Helmibond http://www.berenson.ca/documents/0776ET%20TDS.pdf

4. DAP® Weldwood http://www.dap.com/product_details.aspx?BrandID=48&SubcatID=8

5. Johnsonite #945 Contact Bond Adhesive  http://www.johnsonite.com/WallBaseFinishesAccessories/Adhesives/tabid/815/Default.aspx
Description  http://www.johnsonite.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=6Fhn3OLEk7o%3D&tabid=815

Shawn Sorrell
« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2012, 09:15:00 am »

I think that a water based contact can work ok but like you found in some of your research they can take longer to dry and are very reliant on the humidity and temperature of the environment you are working in.  I've used DAP Weldwood before with varying results.  I continue to go back to solvent based adhesives simply because I feel they are more reliable and not as picky about the current environment conditions.  Kansas City tends to be very drastic in it's weather and often is quite humid. It could be that in your area you would not have the same issues that I've had with water based solvents.  I say give them a try.  I know others use them and love them. Smiley
zooooom
« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2012, 10:00:28 am »

I also prefer a solvent based for personal use but I need to find something suitable for workshops because some people are allergic or just cannot stand the smell of  regular cements  :'(
CJ Puppets
« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2012, 12:25:47 pm »

I use DAP original. I've tried the green can but got extremely poor results. It can take up to a whole day to dry and even then the bond is VERY bad. I was able to pull a seam apart with almost no effort at all. I'd strongly NOT suggest it.
zooooom
« Reply #51 on: June 01, 2012, 04:17:18 pm »

Thank you, good to know = save time&money Smile
As I've understood from net searching water-based won't work like solvent-based but still looking for different kind of cements,anyway,have anybody ever tried the RENIA adhesives? Looks like they make a good stuff but you never know...  http://www.renia.com/englisch/prodphotos.html
they also have some video about their products  http://www.youtube.com/user/reniavideos
Shawn Sorrell
« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2012, 07:25:17 am »

It just dawned on me that your medium is normally not foam hand puppets but marionettes. Are we talking about adhesives for foam or wood? Smiley  There are two adhesives I've used on foam that work pretty good. FabriTac and Tacky glues. http://www.beaconadhesives.com/cgfab.html http://www.michaels.com/Aleene%27s%C2%AE-Original-Tacky-Glue%C2%AE/gc0040,default,pd.html  Neither are contact glues so you have to somehow hold your seam together while the glue sets but with the FabriTac that is not really that long. The Tacky takes longer. With foam I often use it and on a seam and then use straight pins to hold the foam seam together while it dries. 15 - 30 mins and you can normally pull the pins out although it takes longer to really foam a strong bond like most glues.  If you take into consideration that with contact you have to let it set up before you can put the pieces together sometimes these glues are actually faster.  Bond is just as good as with contact cements.  I prefer the FabriTack over the Tacky.

I've never used the RENIA products.
zooooom
« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2012, 09:56:00 am »

It just dawned on me that your medium is normally not foam hand puppets but marionettes. Are we talking about adhesives for foam or wood? Smiley

For foam  wave Generally speaking I make what clients are willing  pay for  Embarrassed I mean - puppetry or sculpture related stuff   icon_lol  I posted a couple or foam's projects on this forum

http://puppetsandstuff.com/community/index.php/topic,6395.msg57413.html#msg57413

http://puppetsandstuff.com/community/index.php/topic,6670.msg60118.html#msg60118

It's only a few examples of foam's puppets  wave Once I wanted to learn more professional way to build stuff so I ( sorry for soooo much " I " - my English vocabulary is poor  Embarrassed ) find a mascot company which was looking for a foam carver and I was working for a few months here. They use air compressor and spray gun for contact cement so the process and result a bit different , anyway, I have kinda obsession with a quality of materials and always looking for "the best"  icon_lol my questions here are result of this obsession Evil
BTW my faworite fabric glue  is  Gutermann . For some reason it isn't for sale in North America , I order it from Europe http://www.etsy.com/search/supplies?q=gutermann%20glue&view_type=gallery&ship_to=ZZ&min=0&max=0
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Shawn Sorrell
« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2012, 02:57:05 pm »

Gutermann has an adhesive!? Smiley Well if it is anything like their threads then it is a quality product.  Wow... they even have a thread made out of recycled material... https://www.guetermann.com/shop/en/view/content/page_0000000HR2?node=comp_0000000DCN
zooooom
« Reply #55 on: June 02, 2012, 03:11:48 pm »

Yes , they have it and good one! I always used it before I moved to Canada. I've asked a local Gutermann's distributor why they don't have this glue in stock. They said that it's a technical problem to send it by air  Shocked I have no idea what they are talking about,which problem can be with this stuff.
Some materials aren't for sell in retail stores here, for example - Poxipol epoxy glue, also very good product, maybe because it made in Argentina  Undecided ? maybe kinda embargo on this country? Actually, I don't remember I've seen anythink "made in Argentina", anyway, Poxipol - 5***** wave http://www.factorynet.com.ar/adhesivos/adhesivo-de-2-componentes/poxipol-transparente-700ml.html
melaine9
« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2012, 08:17:58 pm »

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=crafter%27s+pick+ultimate

Crafters Ultimate is available at Amazon.com
melaine9
« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2012, 08:22:21 pm »

I bought a small bottle of weldwood today. I couldnot find Barge's in my area. So which glue for foam should I get. Hotglue is not my favorite.
Billy D. Fuller
« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2012, 05:41:13 am »

I bought a small bottle of weldwood today. I couldnot find Barge's in my area. So which glue for foam should I get. Hotglue is not my favorite.

I use the Weld wood gel the regular was to thin for me.
Shawn Sorrell
« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2012, 06:59:18 am »

I agree with Billy that I prefer the gel over the regular when I use the 3m Weldwood. Barge seems to hold better and longer but Weldwood is ok. Hotglue holds very well but I don't like working with it although many puppeteers do like it and suggest it. Here is a tip: When using hotglue you can keep a can of compressed air handy to cool down the glue once you place  your seams together. Since foam holds the heat of the glue so long this helps speed up the cooling process.
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