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« on: December 05, 2010, 09:36:18 am »

Hi guys,

As a lighting designer I am always looking at what is current technology in the world of theatre. What is fast becoming very popular is LED Technology they would be great for use with puppets as they are low powered and you dont get any heat output from the lighting fixture, so you can put them right next to your foam puppet and they will not go up in a blaze of glory.

If you have a look on ebay search for LED Par 56 or 64

These are only two items but there are many more out there the items above a exactly the same size as Parcans but replace the 500watt and 1000watt lamps with over 150 leds.

If anyone wants any advice on lighting let me know and I will help as best I can.
Shawn Sorrell
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2010, 10:05:35 am »

Thanks for the heads up on the LED and lighting.  I agree with you that LED is the way of the future in lighting and has many advantages. Smiley  Folks are always asking about how they should light their shows so I am sure you'll get many questions. Do you maybe have any books or resources that would give puppeteers a basic understanding of lighting?  It has been a long time since I have had to really use my knowledge in this area so I am a bit rusty.  I do know that it is not just about lighting the puppet, but that you can add depth to the performance with side lights, back lighting and even lighting the scenery.
Billy D. Fuller
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2010, 11:36:08 am »

I would be interested in hearing more..................... I'm still using candles LOL
working.lights
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2010, 01:18:06 pm »

I have a few books that I used when I was in college but these are aimed at lighting a theatrical performance in a naturalistic way and also with the planning and cueing of a show. Most of what I have learnt has been on the job training, at the moment I am lighting alot of dance shows so lots of front side rear lighting. The only thing I can think is ask me a question and I will give as much advice as I can. If all you want is basic lighting I can advise all the way up to a full theatrical rig with a programmed lighting desk.
Billy D. Fuller
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2010, 01:54:14 pm »

This is not puppetry related ...........but have to ask..............how do you rig up outside Christmas lights to music?

http://www.holdman.com/christmas/video.asp
Na
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2010, 03:29:25 am »

I have a couple of book suggestions at the bottom of this post:
http://www.puppetsinmelbourne.com.au/faq.php/2008/02/03/how_to_light_a_puppet_show

The problem with most of the books out at the moment is that they're based on technology that is from the 70s or 80s. Taking a short course in lighting would get you more up-to-date info than any book you could buy.

I agree that LEDs are a good way to go, particularly as there are a lot of ways you can miniaturise the lighting as compared to using traditional theatrical lights. This means you can do more for table top puppetry or toy theatre, than you could do previously. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe this Australian show would have used LEDs: http://www.blackholetheatre.com.au/gallery/caravan/9.html. They produced some absolutely fantastic 'practical' lighting and atmosphere.
working.lights
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2010, 03:35:55 am »

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how do you rig up outside Christmas lights to music?

You would need to look for a sound to light controller these are mainly used by discos and you might need to rewire the plug. If you wanted to have individual lights flash in sequence rather than all flash in time you would probably end up re-wiring all the lights in which case I would look at getting a rope light with a sound to light controller.

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2010, 03:38:50 am »

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The problem with most of the books out at the moment is that they're based on technology that is from the 70s or 80s. Taking a short course in lighting would get you more up-to-date info than any book you could buy.

I agree totally the current books are 70's 80's lighting and for a big part are now obsolete I tyhink the problem with books are that technology is advancing so fast writers cant keep up. Even in my lifetime I've gone from tape to cd to minidisc to mp3.

Na
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2010, 03:50:56 am »

Part of the issue is also with electrical terms. Americans are mostly the ones writing the books, and they use different electrical outputs than everywhere else. I can imagine this confuses most lighting newbies, and has the potential for a lot of dangerous rigging.

(Ah tapes... )
working.lights
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2010, 04:46:50 am »

Ahhh yes the magnetic ribbon simpler times. With regards to electrical systems in the UK it is industry standard to use 15amp plugs on lighting equipment these are round pin plugs and do not fit standard 13amp sockets so there is no confusion.
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 04:53:23 am »

Just looked at video Billy, I have seen this before and if I was to do something like this I would use a DMXsystem running off a PC rather than letting the sound control the lighting. a Lighting designer would sit down with the soundwave on his screen and programme lighting cues to the musice these cues would then have lights/xmas lights assigned to them. The video is a well choreographed son et luminaire show unlike a random sound to light controller. This is a very similar control system to the fountains at the Bellagio Hotel just a scaled down version.
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2010, 05:07:34 am »

Here is some tips for lighting puppets:

When lighting theatre your main focus is on the face you must be able to see the face well so as you cans see all the expressions. With puppets expressions are not as obvious ie. Smile/frown, eyes, eyebrows etc. I saw this because not all puppets have facial features that change/move. I myself have a puppet with no eyes but he still has a character. So lighting the face is not as important as the form of the puppet. You need to see the movements of the puppet these define its mood etc. Very much like a dance show you need to see the form not the face.

Colour: can play a very important role in setting the scene a bright warm colour can mean happiness/sunshine good mood, where as blue is cold, winter, sdaness etc. The other consideration is the colour of your puppet eg a blue puppet under a red light will appeare purple/black or under a yellow light it will look green. (For more info research lighting effect on costume)

I will try and type up some work sheets on this and post on here.

Tom Powell
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2010, 06:09:29 am »

Here is a simplfied explanation of how lighting affects costumes it will be the same for puppets.
Light colour affects costume in really very basic ways.  Under white light, which contains all the colours of the spectrum, costumes look fine - for example a red dress will look red because there is red light within the white light to be reflected from the dress.  If you remove some of the spectrum and turn the stage blue the red dress will turn black because there is no red light for it to reflect.  If you add a little red light to a blue stage the dress will look red again.

If under white light you want the red dress to look more vibrant then add some red light and the colours will stand out more.

To do experiments get a small torch (not an L.E.D torch) and a lighting colour swatch book which you can request from a colour manufacturer or pop into your local stage lighting supplier who will give you one. http://www.leefilters.com/lighting/  0r  http://www.rosco.com/sbreqs/index.cfm

Then turn off the lights and have some fun with colour.

I know this is post is about led technology and I am saying not to use an LED torch but if you use standard theatre lighting then it will be a standard fillament bulb and you will need to use coloured gel to change the colour. With LED you have a red, green and blue colour LED's and by mixing these you can get the different colours below is an image of the lighting colourwheel this will explain what I mean and give an idea as to how RGB Led fixtures work.

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Sorry about waffeling on but I know what I mean its hard to explain easily. I am not very good at written explanations.

Standard Lighting - Fillament bulb - yellowish white colour - you will need to change the colour with a filter gel - high power usage - gives out heat - 1 lamp = 1 colour (unless you use a scroller)

LED Light - Red Green Blue Led's - Will produce a bright blueish white - you will need to "mix" the colour you want - low power usage - no heat output- 1 lamp = 26.6 million colour or there abouts.
Shawn Sorrell
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2010, 07:03:09 am »

Do you think there is a limitation to the LED's when it comes to color compared to the old standard filament bulb and gel? I know there is a commercial now for a popular flat screen that say's it has a yellow added to the basic RGB spectrum that makes the picture "superior".  Are there some die hard lighting designers that resist LED because of that? I doubt that well ever effect any puppet productions, but then again maybe it does.  Perhaps the difference in lighting for video and stage would come into play on whether you use LED or standard lighting.
Shawn Sorrell
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2010, 07:04:56 am »

P.S.  I really love the lights that skip across the yard in the videos that Billy linked to.  Hmm.... would this be considered puppetry?  Ok I know that is really pushing it but that house really seems to be alive and have character.
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