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Puppeteer on Australia's Got Talent  (Read 1712 times)
Na
« on: May 25, 2012, 09:36:55 pm »

Self-explanatory... This skit is pretty funny; I think it's only an excerpt of the full thing.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?5DF14WqoTbA" target="youtube">YouTube Video</a>
Snail
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2012, 10:28:10 am »

Funny, talking to your puppeteer! Pretty blue monster.
Shawn Sorrell
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2012, 10:23:54 pm »

I couldn't find the full version of the audition but I did find the puppeteers channel on YouTube!

http://youtu.be/iQn3j9yfe1c
Na
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2012, 01:31:27 am »

Yes, sorry I meant to add his website:

http://www.wix.com/keirana/mrarthurspuppets

A school teacher in Sydney...
StiqPuppet Productions
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2012, 08:55:43 pm »

Nice find Na it is nice to see puppetry is still showing up on talent shows such as this...recently on America's Got Talent there was a vent who used modern technology to do his act and it was brilliant he used a combination between a large TV and a iPad and the magic began...I don't think they have it up yet but I hope it will soon.  They also had a vent with a real dog with a fake mouth piece that made it look like it was talking...seen it before but it was a refreshing to see it again. Keep your eyes open for these two acts on Youtube soon!

StiqPuppets
Na
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2012, 09:10:29 pm »

Not so much a find - I was tweeted the video as we've been conversing via Twitter.

Funnily enough every so often I get an email from TV producers from shows like this looking for puppeteers. They seem to think the 'novelty' is a big draw I guess.

I really don't like reality TV shows like this, so don't pay attention to it normally. (Although I will admit it's nice to see more puppets on TV: we have quite a well known character here that appears on adult - ie. PG and up - shows and it almost seems like there's only one puppet in Australia at the moment on TV. So to have more puppets out there is only good)

The ipad stuff is on another thread...
http://puppetsandstuff.com/community/index.php/topic,7380.msg66614.html#msg66614
Though I haven't checked it out yet.

Are the puppet acts on these shows always ventriloquists/muppet style? Has there ever been any glove puppets, or shadow, or something else?
StiqPuppet Productions
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2012, 09:23:46 pm »

Mainly vents and they have been doing some modern style black light theater without black lights...pretty neat stuff...but more focused on dance style than "Real" puppetry stuff...but still falls under puppetry (this doesn't make sense but once you see it you would get it) lol.  I am not much of a reality TV'er (hardly watch TV anymore) but I do love the talent shows to see variety and that jem in the making...the rest could go to ....well you know. 

StiqPuppet
Na
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2012, 03:35:37 am »

That's what I thought. Is it that that's what producers are more interested in, there's more of vents/muppets/blacklight to go around (therefore more likely to be found on TV), or is it that other types of puppeteers aren't interested in performing on these shows? ... I know that question is more rhetorical than answerable, but I find it an interesting phenomenon of representation.

I think I avoid these shows mainly because the hype annoys me. I feel like screaming "just get on with it" half the time. That and the fact that it's rarely about unique performances or good ones, but popularity (ie. whoever appeals to the most 13 year old girls, wins).

PS. Nice to have you back!
Shawn Sorrell
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2012, 07:07:15 am »

I think one reason you see vent acts more often is partly because there are more of them out there. I am not in any way slighting the art or the talent it takes to do a vent act but they are easier to present and produce. All you need is your talent and suitcase with some puppets in it. Smiley  Other types of puppetry take more setup and equipment. I think it might also be self perpetuating. A bit like since the Muppets are such a popular style of puppetry you see more people wanting to get into that style of puppetry the other styles.
Na
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2012, 07:29:51 am »

Yes good point about the 'out of a suitcase' thing. Although consider that most touring shows need to be able to do that too... I mean that video a while back of the glove puppet booth that rolled in and unpacked itself is kind of easy to set up. And I have seen someone just today who made an old mirror frame into a shadow puppet 'booth'/screen. Considering you could probably ask the TV producers for a light or a power outlet, you could just as easily set up a flea circus or a shadow puppet show if self-contained.

Which is why I asked what I asked. Puppeteers, especially ones in Australia, are no stranger to going on tours and fitting everything into the back of their van. Heck, take a leaf out of Taymor's book and use some shadow puppets behind a piece of cloth with a torch - and yet you never see this kind of thing on reality TV shows.

So it makes me wonder whether the producers are casting a certain way, or if a certain type of puppeteer avoids these opportunities; or it's simply a factor of Western puppeteers being more likely to produce the same kind of stuff. (Ie. would France's Got Talent be more likely to have glove puppets and marionettes?)
Shawn Sorrell
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2012, 07:36:04 am »

I think it is partly the public's mind set and when I say that I even mean puppeteers. Other forms of puppetry I think are more likely to be thought of as art and more stuffy.  I think also you might be right about location. I've seen some of bits of other countries talent shows and the content tends to be a bit different.
pagestep007
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2012, 08:46:07 am »

Na , I am suprised that there is only one puppet on Australian TV at present. If there was an attempt at  making a 'Dark Crystal sequel' in OZ, where are all the  puppeteers and production? In Colombia we have maybe three major Kids TV shows with puppets, and an adult political satire. We are the only puppeteers on  Christian TV at the moment, but there have been a few groups over the years. Last year I was approached at least three times about getting new puppet programs started, so interest is growing. In a couple weeks I will be attending a puppeteer's conference for the first time.(I just joined the Colombian association of puppeteers) It will be interesting to see who else has been working here long and full time.
Na
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2012, 10:00:19 am »

Na , I am suprised that there is only one puppet on Australian TV at present. If there was an attempt at  making a 'Dark Crystal sequel' in OZ, where are all the  puppeteers and production? In Colombia we have maybe three major Kids TV shows with puppets, and an adult political satire. We are the only puppeteers on  Christian TV at the moment, but there have been a few groups over the years. Last year I was approached at least three times about getting new puppet programs started, so interest is growing. In a couple weeks I will be attending a puppeteer's conference for the first time.(I just joined the Colombian association of puppeteers) It will be interesting to see who else has been working here long and full time.


Well, it was exaggeration slightly. For kids, there is plenty, even a few locally made shows that use puppets (sadly a lot of them are really doll wiggling, but a couple are quite good). What I meant was that for adults, there is only really one puppet on TV on a regular basis, and that is as a muppet-style performance (http://heathmcivor.com/) on a few comedy/trivia/current affairs shows. Granted, I don't really watch a lot of home-grown TV so I'm probably missing something... then again, our government mandates that only 2% of all TV time is locally made (excluding news of course), and since American and British TV comes cheaper, the locally made stuff is relegated to reality TV (Australian Idol, etc), cop shows, and family dramas. In other words, not much puppetry opportunities anyway.

Where are all the puppeteers? Well, this is a *very* large country, so they're all over the place. The local puppetry organisation has about 100 members, and I'd guess that either that's the majority and/or plenty of puppeteers have never heard of it. Then you have the fact that most puppeteers absolutely need to tour and/or teach at schools in order to make any money, and you have the majority of them travelling (around Aus, or outside of it) and/or in places like Sydney where most movies are made. And most of the ones hired for Dark Crystal will be the ones already working on movies in special effects.

It's also worth noting that even theatre or film professionals here don't realise puppetry exists in this country, so getting it on TV - where there is a distinct lack of interest for locally made stuff by producers - is almost fighting an uphill battle. Unless of course you can come up with Avenue Q style wit/risqueness.

We too are having a conference soon: and there's another problem. There are very few actual events that get puppeteers together, and on a regular basis. Puppetry festivals are almost random, and there is as far as I'm aware, no one who is actively advocating for puppetry funding nor attention from the public. (Even our local association doesn't seem to do that)

(I should state that this is more of a dearth now than it may have been in the past. A lot of the people from the 60s/70s have died or retired, or may not be seeking to do TV shows. I know from my own childhood there were a lot more locally produced kids shows with puppetry in them - and maybe a couple of adult things too)

To say puppetry is under-represented here is an understatement. We have some pretty amazing stuff here, and lots of talented people, and a penchant for combining various techniques into hybrid forms of puppetry. I think the main issue at least in terms of TV is getting past the producers who don't seem to care about pushing the boundaries and making interesting TV; just cheap TV. Even our government-run TV station which produces the majority of the local programs play it safe.
Na
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2012, 10:07:33 am »

I think it is partly the public's mind set and when I say that I even mean puppeteers. Other forms of puppetry I think are more likely to be thought of as art and more stuffy.  I think also you might be right about location. I've seen some of bits of other countries talent shows and the content tends to be a bit different.

I agree. I think marionettes are probably seen as a bit too arty/posh, and glove puppets too kiddy. If you're in Australia and do shadow puppetry everyone will liken it to wayang kulit, even if it looks more like Chinese or French. (This has happened to me a number of times. Indonesia being more of a holiday destination than the other places I suppose) And funnily enough every one of those people who commented that to me had this attitude of "oh isn't that nice" rather than "hey, let's watch". (Hmmm, you know what I mean... the difference between paying attention, and thinking it pretty but not worth their time)

I really wish there was more data about society and puppetry. Someone needs to go out and research public perceptions, producers and what they are willing to program, and puppeteers and what they think about it all.

Ah, a science project for another day I think Wink
Shawn Sorrell
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2012, 03:40:22 pm »

I saw this story on faceBook this morning and I think it is relative to what we are talking about here... well kind of. It speaks to societies perception of the value of something. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721.html
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