Re: My new shadow puppet Posted by Shawn on Dec 07, 2011
Na,
For "back drops" we always used a projector. In fact the projector itself was the light source. It was actually an overhead projector. I am sure you've seen these used before. The backdrops where created via computer and printed on clear sheets you could get for them. Worked out pretty well although the colors where not always as vibrant as I would have liked. I am sure that a person could actually paint the backgrounds on the acetate much like the old cartoons where made and the colors would be better.
For "back drops" we always used a projector. In fact the projector itself was the light source. It was actually an overhead projector. I am sure you've seen these used before. The backdrops where created via computer and printed on clear sheets you could get for them. Worked out pretty well although the colors where not always as vibrant as I would have liked. I am sure that a person could actually paint the backgrounds on the acetate much like the old cartoons where made and the colors would be better.
Re: My new shadow puppet Posted by Na on Dec 07, 2011
Posted by: Shawn Sorrell on Dec 07, 2011
Na,
For "back drops" we always used a projector. In fact the projector itself was the light source. It was actually an overhead projector. I am sure you've seen these used before. The backdrops where created via computer and printed on clear sheets you could get for them. Worked out pretty well although the colors where not always as vibrant as I would have liked. I am sure that a person could actually paint the backgrounds on the acetate much like the old cartoons where made and the colors would be better.
Ah good point. I always forget about projectors. You could not only use an overhead, but also a digital projector and hook up a computer.
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Re: My new shadow puppet Posted by Na on Feb 05, 2012
I just thought I'd update this thread:
I've purchased some plastic sheets and have made several different sizes of the puppet. Once again the head-floppiness is back to haunt me. I've found that my ideal size - 67.5cm - has issues floppiness-wise. In order to counter this, I've added a layer of plastic the same size and shape of the head, minus the hole cut out. While this prevents floppiness, it adds a considerable amount of extra weight; the puppet is heavy, but not so much that it's a problem. It's certainly noticeable though.
The other issue is that there is no glue that will solder the two pieces of plastic together, which means I've either got a nasty shadow when the pieces flop away from each other, or I've got to find some method of weaving them together. Either way, I'm not happy with it.
Leaving me with the continued issue of not being happy with 60cm as it's too small (adding even 3cm to the size causes floppiness). I prefer the weighting of the smaller size, but the bigger size is just so much better visibility-wise. I did a rough calculation: a 60cm tall shadow puppet may be seen at a max. of 16 rows of people. Let's say 10 seats p/row = roughly 160 people will see it. I don't think that's enough...
I think now I need to do some market research to find out if people/puppeteers will buy a 60cm shadow puppet.
I've purchased some plastic sheets and have made several different sizes of the puppet. Once again the head-floppiness is back to haunt me. I've found that my ideal size - 67.5cm - has issues floppiness-wise. In order to counter this, I've added a layer of plastic the same size and shape of the head, minus the hole cut out. While this prevents floppiness, it adds a considerable amount of extra weight; the puppet is heavy, but not so much that it's a problem. It's certainly noticeable though.
The other issue is that there is no glue that will solder the two pieces of plastic together, which means I've either got a nasty shadow when the pieces flop away from each other, or I've got to find some method of weaving them together. Either way, I'm not happy with it.
Leaving me with the continued issue of not being happy with 60cm as it's too small (adding even 3cm to the size causes floppiness). I prefer the weighting of the smaller size, but the bigger size is just so much better visibility-wise. I did a rough calculation: a 60cm tall shadow puppet may be seen at a max. of 16 rows of people. Let's say 10 seats p/row = roughly 160 people will see it. I don't think that's enough...
I think now I need to do some market research to find out if people/puppeteers will buy a 60cm shadow puppet.
Re: My new shadow puppet Posted by Shawn on Feb 06, 2012
Have you tried spray adhesive? I don't know it may muddy the transparency but thought I would suggest it. There has to be something out there that would work just not sure what it would be. They make window decals that you can stick on the window but then they peel off real easy and can be replied. If we could figure out what they use maybe that would work.
Re: My new shadow puppet Posted by Na on Feb 06, 2012
Spray adhesive won't work. This particular type of plastic is designed specifically so that glues won't work at all. Superglue, even hot glue which I've read is the only glue which works for this plastic... Nothing sticks, from Mod Podge to wood glue to PVA (Elmer's) to... well, you name it.
Anyway, I found some clear plastic from a document folder that is thinner (therefore lighter) and cut it to cover the hole. It lessens the overall weight of the puppet, and can be attached to the back of the head where the brad is for the attachment of the body/at the top where the rod attachment goes. My only problem is that the plastic dirties up very easily, but am now checking my supplier to see if they have a clear plastic in a thinner guage.
Window decals is an interesting idea, especially as I'm a bit wary about how to/if I should attach the sides of the clear plastic to the head somehow. A decal would solve that problem, as well as another idea I'm working on.... Wonder how I could find those...? Thanks Shawn!
Anyway, I found some clear plastic from a document folder that is thinner (therefore lighter) and cut it to cover the hole. It lessens the overall weight of the puppet, and can be attached to the back of the head where the brad is for the attachment of the body/at the top where the rod attachment goes. My only problem is that the plastic dirties up very easily, but am now checking my supplier to see if they have a clear plastic in a thinner guage.
Window decals is an interesting idea, especially as I'm a bit wary about how to/if I should attach the sides of the clear plastic to the head somehow. A decal would solve that problem, as well as another idea I'm working on.... Wonder how I could find those...? Thanks Shawn!
Re: My new shadow puppet Posted by Angel in Tx on Feb 06, 2012
I wonder if you could laminate it? I have a laminating machine for home use and the sheets are quite a bit thicker than the sheeting used on larger machines like at schools. I don't know if you have anything like this available to you or not. Just a thought.
Re: My new shadow puppet Posted by Na on Feb 06, 2012
No, lamination is what I was doing before. The whole idea of this is to avoid lamination.
Besides, the issue is only a problem if I size it bigger than 60cm tall. That size is smaller than I want, but probably reasonable enough for it to be marketable. If I can't find a suitable solution then I'll simply use the smaller size.
Besides, the issue is only a problem if I size it bigger than 60cm tall. That size is smaller than I want, but probably reasonable enough for it to be marketable. If I can't find a suitable solution then I'll simply use the smaller size.
Re: My new shadow puppet Posted by Na on Feb 07, 2012
In sum: thinking of how to do the puppet at the size I want.... I've added a layer of clear plastic to the back of the head. This can be attached at top and bottom where other joints/attachments are already in place. However, the sides of this clear plastic flop away from the head plastic, so side attachments are necessary and/or some other method of attachment.
Lamination is out. Decals sound interesting but initial investigation turns up very little info, and leaves me with a 'sticker' which then potentially sticks to the screen. Filling in the hole is not what I want to do, and playing with white contact on a clear plastic also leaves the problem of durability. I have considered 'weaving' the two pieces of plastic together with some strong cotton, but I'm not happy with that either.
My last solution is the following: using 2 extra brads on either side of the head. I initially tossed this idea out because I thought it might look ugly, but I've photoshopped some extra brads onto a previous pic; one pic has the silver coloured brads I'm using now, the other with two extra white brads (I thought it might blend in a little more). I haven't physically tried this yet, but if I do I hope it will solve the problem for good.
What do you guys think?
Lamination is out. Decals sound interesting but initial investigation turns up very little info, and leaves me with a 'sticker' which then potentially sticks to the screen. Filling in the hole is not what I want to do, and playing with white contact on a clear plastic also leaves the problem of durability. I have considered 'weaving' the two pieces of plastic together with some strong cotton, but I'm not happy with that either.
My last solution is the following: using 2 extra brads on either side of the head. I initially tossed this idea out because I thought it might look ugly, but I've photoshopped some extra brads onto a previous pic; one pic has the silver coloured brads I'm using now, the other with two extra white brads (I thought it might blend in a little more). I haven't physically tried this yet, but if I do I hope it will solve the problem for good.
What do you guys think?
Re: My new shadow puppet Posted by Na on Feb 07, 2012
Not content with being hypothetical I went ahead and added the brads to my real puppet; this is 67.5 cm, with the clear plastic behind the head. Note in the second image you can actually make out a little of the clear plastic due to the flash of the camera. Rods are temporarily attached with masking tape.
Re: My new shadow puppet Posted by Angel in Tx on Feb 07, 2012
I think the brads look fine. Do they show on screen? If not great, if so does it really detract from the look? I doubt it. Have you tried performing to see if the look is satisfactory?
Anyway all said and done, I think the brads are a good solution.
Anyway all said and done, I think the brads are a good solution.
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