Do you feel you have to be a ventriloquist to be a puppeteer? Posted by Wheels47130 on Aug 01, 2012
It's more for those out there that are lone puppeteers. With a group you can do a stage and several others to interact with. So, if it's a solo show, do you need to be a ventriloquist? I would love to hear from other soloest how they perform. Please let me know.
Re: Do you feel you have to be a ventriloquist to be a puppeteer? Posted by Shawn on Aug 02, 2012
I used to preform solo but was and am not a ventriloquist. I grew up in the era of Wayland and Madame and he was not a ventriloquist so I didn't find it odd to preform with a puppet while my lips moved.
Re: Do you feel you have to be a ventriloquist to be a puppeteer? Posted by Na on Aug 02, 2012
No: there are plenty of solo performers who don't do ventriloquism. For instance, Ronnie Burkett who does marionettes, and Richard Bradshaw who does shadow puppetry. Both do their own vocals, but no ventriloquism.
Re: Do you feel you have to be a ventriloquist to be a puppeteer? Posted by Lizzies Lair on Aug 02, 2012
Hey Wheels, I know the others are right and there are endless forms of puppetry, but in my mind, I think I'll always be a crappy performer because I can't master ventriloquism and consequently feel very limited. Na shared a link a few months ago of an Australian puppeteer who does solo work with his lips moving and watching him, I thought he was nothing short of professional and hugely entertaining, but when I try it, I think it's just crap .
Shawn, do you have any footage of your solo work in action? I'd love to see it.
Shawn, do you have any footage of your solo work in action? I'd love to see it.
Re: Do you feel you have to be a ventriloquist to be a puppeteer? Posted by Buppetpusker on Aug 02, 2012
Nope, though I'd love to master some vent skills in future! Performance is easily capable without vent, turn the tables and look at what Rod Hull did with Emu!
Re: Do you feel you have to be a ventriloquist to be a puppeteer? Posted by Shawn on Aug 02, 2012
Posted by: Lizzies Lair on Aug 02, 2012
Shawn, do you have any footage of your solo work in action? I'd love to see it.
None of performing with hand in mouth puppets. There is some footage of when I was with La Famille Marionettes. I'll see if I can dig some of those up. Should be some of when I was with StoneLion but have no idea where that has gotten to.
Re: Do you feel you have to be a ventriloquist to be a puppeteer? Posted by Wheels47130 on Aug 02, 2012
Thanks, I looked up and watched Hull & Emu. That guy s awesome.
Re: Do you feel you have to be a ventriloquist to be a puppeteer? Posted by Chris Arveson on Aug 03, 2012
I'm not a ventriloquist, but I have performed with my gums flapping for all the world to see. I think that if you engage well with the puppet, the audience isn't going to care a whole lot. People tend to zone in on the puppet and ignore the silly human nearby, at least that's been my experience.
Re: Do you feel you have to be a ventriloquist to be a puppeteer? Posted by Clewer Puppets on Aug 03, 2012
I'd just like to back up what Chris & some others have said. I have been doing puppetry for 22 years-I am not a ventriloquist either. However, I interact hugely with my puppets. quite often my husband and I interact together with our puppets-lips moving! I had an interview with Jim Henson some years back which we recorded off the television. He was sitting behind the cameras at the back of the studio with Kermit on his hand and he just started talking. The interviewer asked him some comment about not being a ventriloquist. Jim's comment was that the puppet (frog) was infinitely more interesting that the puppeteer, and people are naturally drawn to the puppet. Even though I don't throw my voice, I have a dear old lady friend who always introduces me as a great ventriloquist! Go figure!
Hey Lizzie-don't worry too much (you said you like like crap when you do it). Believe me, it takes plenty of practice in front of a mirror. After a while, you find that you aren't looking at yourself either, but your eyes are drawn to the puppet-which is something that I discovered when a friend took some videos of me in action many years ago. I was watching my own puppets! When done well, it doesn't really matter.A big part of it is really believing that creation on your arm is a real character-interact with them as though they are alive & human.
Debra C.
Hey Lizzie-don't worry too much (you said you like like crap when you do it). Believe me, it takes plenty of practice in front of a mirror. After a while, you find that you aren't looking at yourself either, but your eyes are drawn to the puppet-which is something that I discovered when a friend took some videos of me in action many years ago. I was watching my own puppets! When done well, it doesn't really matter.A big part of it is really believing that creation on your arm is a real character-interact with them as though they are alive & human.
Debra C.
Re: Do you feel you have to be a ventriloquist to be a puppeteer? Posted by Chris Arveson on Aug 06, 2012
I haven't had a chance to finish watching it yet, but on Netflix there is a documentary on Kevin Clash called "Being Elmo." There are brief scenes of him going into groups of schoolkids, and the delight on their faces is absolutely wonderful. Now, I'm sure Mr. Clash is a great person, but I doubt the kids were glad to see him, they only had eyes for the fuzzy red guy on his arm. Clash is Elmo, and Elmo is Clash; he has such a connection with "Elmo" that it wouldn't make any difference if he had to stand on his head to do Elmo, the kids would be zoned in on the puppet.
Certainly in this situation, the kids already have their own connection to Elmo. But that's because Elmo is a character so well done, that they can identify with and love him. If we connect to our characters, and our characters are done well enough, audiences won't care if our lips move. They will see us when we want them to see us, but mostly the will be watching the puppet to see what it will say next.
People are willing to suspend reality when there is enough reason. Our job as puppeteers is to provide enough reason for reality to be suspended.
Certainly in this situation, the kids already have their own connection to Elmo. But that's because Elmo is a character so well done, that they can identify with and love him. If we connect to our characters, and our characters are done well enough, audiences won't care if our lips move. They will see us when we want them to see us, but mostly the will be watching the puppet to see what it will say next.
People are willing to suspend reality when there is enough reason. Our job as puppeteers is to provide enough reason for reality to be suspended.
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