Re: The Loki Show! Posted by pagestep007 on Dec 05, 2012
Well Lokiy2j, I can definitely see a development processing through your videos. I am impressed that your lighting and audio are so good, as that is usually the hardest thing for newbies to master. It certainly was the case for me when I started out.
Your content is getting better, and you have some good personalities coming through in your characters.(I particularly like Oscar) I like the different segments and you come up with some nice little creative surprises. Keep exploring those creative leadings . You have some hidden talents there that I am sure you can dig out and develop some more. Keep going! (I think Chloe would like that too)
A few technical tips which might help you: Concentrate on moving your thumb, and therefore the chin of the puppet. It REALLY helps to make the puppets convincing. Work on coming prepared to your recording sessions, so you have solid bunch of things you are going to work on, so you know where you are headed.That will develop as you make more stuff and the creative juices flow more and more. Be creative on your backgrounds. You obviously are looking at that now as you are starting to put more effort into them. Sometimes just a change of location or cutting to something simple is all you need. Just so that you are not having everything happen in the same scene, or cutting to the same shot, which makes little jumps in the flow of things(they are called jump cuts because of that) Check Out 'The Directer/Patsy Hoolahan' on this forum and see how he/she cuts to different situations for each change of topic or joke or whatever. He is getting that down to a fine art now.
A suggestion.. in your movie reviews it might be nice to have your puppet, which is usually Oscar, to comment on the movie as the trailers and footage plays. They were pretty long in the first videos, but I see you started to cut them shorter which is good, you may even edit your own version of the trailer for Oscar to comment on.Otherwise he's just hanging around while it plays.
I must say, I am glad that you are putting your energies into something positive. As I said before, I think you have some talent there to develop. Keep at it.
Your content is getting better, and you have some good personalities coming through in your characters.(I particularly like Oscar) I like the different segments and you come up with some nice little creative surprises. Keep exploring those creative leadings . You have some hidden talents there that I am sure you can dig out and develop some more. Keep going! (I think Chloe would like that too)
A few technical tips which might help you: Concentrate on moving your thumb, and therefore the chin of the puppet. It REALLY helps to make the puppets convincing. Work on coming prepared to your recording sessions, so you have solid bunch of things you are going to work on, so you know where you are headed.That will develop as you make more stuff and the creative juices flow more and more. Be creative on your backgrounds. You obviously are looking at that now as you are starting to put more effort into them. Sometimes just a change of location or cutting to something simple is all you need. Just so that you are not having everything happen in the same scene, or cutting to the same shot, which makes little jumps in the flow of things(they are called jump cuts because of that) Check Out 'The Directer/Patsy Hoolahan' on this forum and see how he/she cuts to different situations for each change of topic or joke or whatever. He is getting that down to a fine art now.
A suggestion.. in your movie reviews it might be nice to have your puppet, which is usually Oscar, to comment on the movie as the trailers and footage plays. They were pretty long in the first videos, but I see you started to cut them shorter which is good, you may even edit your own version of the trailer for Oscar to comment on.Otherwise he's just hanging around while it plays.
I must say, I am glad that you are putting your energies into something positive. As I said before, I think you have some talent there to develop. Keep at it.
Re: The Loki Show! Posted by lokiy2j on Dec 06, 2012
WOW, cheers for the feedback Pagestep007! I sent you a private message on ytube too as I'm really impressed with your videos!
I know what you mean about coming prepared, as I don't run with a script of any sort (pretty obvious in the first video!) and I tend to come up with ideas during the day that I then film when I get home!
The backgrounds, again the last couple of episodes gave me a reason to go with something a bit more exotic but I don't really have a filming "space" I just use different walls/areas of my front room. I am looking to convert my basement into a studio of sorts but that will take a lot of time and most importantly money! as it needs to be retanked and skinned before I start storing the puppets down there (my biggest fear is they rot!)
the first feedback I got was regarding the length of the film clips, which is why I cut them and ended up filming the "silent oscar scene" then adjusting the clip to match mainly due to the ad hoc nature of my editing and planning process!
I'm learning new techniques all the time in my video editing software and I'm now looking to branch out into 3D animation design so that I can produce a proper show "logo" for next year.
I hadn't really though about using different backgrounds for different scenes but now that you've mentioned it I think it will be something I incorporate into the new year aswell. again the original results were due to the ad hoc nature of filming ( set up a camera grab the puppets and shoot!)
Oscar is a fave of the kids too, I'm glad you like him, he's not made using a traditional pattern (as you can see from the stiching down one side) and he's terribly difficult to operate due to that but I'm hoping to include a load of new puppets so expect to many new faces!
I know what you mean about coming prepared, as I don't run with a script of any sort (pretty obvious in the first video!) and I tend to come up with ideas during the day that I then film when I get home!
The backgrounds, again the last couple of episodes gave me a reason to go with something a bit more exotic but I don't really have a filming "space" I just use different walls/areas of my front room. I am looking to convert my basement into a studio of sorts but that will take a lot of time and most importantly money! as it needs to be retanked and skinned before I start storing the puppets down there (my biggest fear is they rot!)
the first feedback I got was regarding the length of the film clips, which is why I cut them and ended up filming the "silent oscar scene" then adjusting the clip to match mainly due to the ad hoc nature of my editing and planning process!
I'm learning new techniques all the time in my video editing software and I'm now looking to branch out into 3D animation design so that I can produce a proper show "logo" for next year.
I hadn't really though about using different backgrounds for different scenes but now that you've mentioned it I think it will be something I incorporate into the new year aswell. again the original results were due to the ad hoc nature of filming ( set up a camera grab the puppets and shoot!)
Oscar is a fave of the kids too, I'm glad you like him, he's not made using a traditional pattern (as you can see from the stiching down one side) and he's terribly difficult to operate due to that but I'm hoping to include a load of new puppets so expect to many new faces!
Re: The Loki Show! Posted by The Director on Dec 06, 2012
You have a lot of potential here. Adding to "pagestep", having a little more thought out staging would be helpful. Rather than having just bouncing puppets I would look at the whole composition. Every shot should be it's own work of art. Your puppets are very bright, colorful, and on the light side. Therefore I would consider darker backgrounds to bring them out. I've done some experimenting with plain dark space behind colorful puppets and sometimes that can be a nice contrast. I would also suggest you try some un natural backdrops so it doesn't look like you are using your own house or flat. You don't need a lot of space to put up for instance a red or blue curtain, or use a colorful wall if you have one. I plan to paint some backdrops on large pieces of cardboard. You can check out my stuff. There is improvement since I started last year. Feel free to give me advice also. I'm glad you have your daughter as a target audience for inspiration. I only have "pagestep".
Re: The Loki Show! Posted by lokiy2j on Dec 06, 2012
The Director....thank you! your suggestion regarding backdrops is fantastic and coincidentally I was filming something last night (a special for christmas day) that uses a black "throw" hung behind the puppets and I was really pleased with how Oscar "popped" on screen using it! so rest assued dark and unnatural backgrounds will be a feature in future! I like to cary and mix up the background to try and make the whole show more interesting!
my daughter being my target audience is definately a driving force for me but I'm trying to build my audience on youtube (very difficult without paid advertising I've found) and I'd love to make the loki show a popular item for people to tune in to!
my daughter being my target audience is definately a driving force for me but I'm trying to build my audience on youtube (very difficult without paid advertising I've found) and I'd love to make the loki show a popular item for people to tune in to!
Re: The Loki Show! Posted by lokiy2j on Dec 12, 2012
This week I experimented with "green screen" in actuality I just hung up spare fleece I use for puppet making and used that...the results...were mixed.
Re: The Loki Show! Posted by Gail on Dec 12, 2012
Puppets are "flipping their lids a lot". It is best to try to move the bottom jaw more than the top of the head, it is hard but that way you keep eye contact with the audience. You have to bend your wrist down more so the eyes look at the eyes of your audience too, my sons call it the "sissy wrist". I had trouble isolating my thumb to move down without moving the upper head when I started out. Someone showed me to cross the ring finger over the middle finger and suddenly my thumb could move alone better. That is what you are looking for, it takes practise. I can't keep my fingers crossed inside the puppet. Some say that a roll in the topside of mouth to curve upper hand will help you, but that did not work for me,my hand cramps up. Bottom line it takes lots of practice you need to watch yourself in mirror or on screen until it is second nature.
It will make a big difference in making the puppets look alive when you have good eye contact all the time. Now that I have been hard on you, I want to say that I see you are improving, don't give up, I like the back drop and the falling snow. Did you make all those puppets? I bet your daughter treasures your gift of love, I'm looking forward to seeing more.
It will make a big difference in making the puppets look alive when you have good eye contact all the time. Now that I have been hard on you, I want to say that I see you are improving, don't give up, I like the back drop and the falling snow. Did you make all those puppets? I bet your daughter treasures your gift of love, I'm looking forward to seeing more.
Re: The Loki Show! Posted by lokiy2j on Dec 13, 2012
Hey snail, thanks for the feedback and yes my lid is flipping an awful lot I am trying to reign it in but atm it's not panning out very well. all the puppets (except those used by the children in episode 5 are all made by me. loki was my first and that's pretty obvious now I guess. as I like to think i've improved my puppet building technique since the beginning, loki and oscar were both built without "patterns" but after that I've used standard patterns on subsequent puppets. I'll be taking a small break from the show at the beginning of the year and then I'll be cracking on with "season 2" I think you can see that my first season is more about experimenting and learning my technique, so im hoping next year will be a great improvement!
Re: The Loki Show! Posted by pagestep007 on Dec 13, 2012
You did very well with your chromas for a first try. They improved as the show progressed. Some of them were just about there, except for shadows cast by the puppet on the backdrop. You can fix that by getting some distance between the backdrop and the puppets so any shadows cast by the puppets don't go on the backdrop. It would have been good to have changed your background for different locations. Thats one of the beauties of chromakeys.. you can put your puppets anywhere.
It does take a lot of practice to get lid flipping under control, specially when you get tired. But keep at it, and you will improve. A good exercise to help there, is put a book on your hand and try to move your thumb without dropping the book.
Have a great break. See you next year. Happy Christmas to Chloe.
It does take a lot of practice to get lid flipping under control, specially when you get tired. But keep at it, and you will improve. A good exercise to help there, is put a book on your hand and try to move your thumb without dropping the book.
Have a great break. See you next year. Happy Christmas to Chloe.
Re: The Loki Show! Posted by lokiy2j on Dec 14, 2012
there will be a lot more to come next year but I'm filming the final episode and a special too, which will be out before the end! thank you for all your support guys it's really helped me.
Re: The Loki Show! Posted by The Director on Dec 14, 2012
I'm not sure what your turn out goal is but I know when I started "The Patsy Hoolahan Show" last year, I was trying to pump out a bunch of episodes quickly and I was not taking the time to edit, reshoot bad scenes etc. I know that there are a lot of youtubers who pump out stuff every few days, but they are usually bloggers(talking Heads) This season I decided to put out an episode every month. This gives me time to put the clips together and then watch it a 100 times until I've done everything I can to make it perfect.(Even that is hard to keep up with) After this season I may stop that and just do a lot of short easy clips because it is so much work, but if we want our art to be taken seriously it's better to take our time. If you really want a new episode every week, you may want to do a bunch ahead of time and then release them one at a time. You can then tweak them before you release them.
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